A palette-cleanser after the nonsense-heavy Lakehouse of Terror. In this episode, we focus on groups making a difference in the Great Lakes. We conduct two interviews with people who are making a difference: Mark Mattson of Lake Ontario Waterkeeper/Swim Drink Fish and Mark Fisher of the Council of the Great Lakes Region about their Circular Great Lakes initiative. We know that these are challenging times, but there are a lot of worthy nonprofits who could use your help. Please consider supporting them!